Wednesday, July 26, 2006

What Would It Take?

Just hypothetically, what would it take to convince you that 9/11 was an inside job? I'm not talking real-world here. Just as an exercise.

Is there any proof, any piece of evidence, any confession -- no matter how far-fetched or impossible -- which could, just hypothetically, convince you?

Confession

You might say "sure . . . confession by a high-level insider". If such a confession is the only thing which would convince you, think about this for a second: If you helped to kill 3,000 of your own people, would you admit it?

Probably not.

That's why most criminal convictions take place in spite of the fact that the defendant adamantly denies that he committed the crime. But there's enough evidence from other witnesses or the crime scene that the judge or jury finds him guilty. Or maybe there is such strong evidence that the defendant had the motive to commit the crime -- because he would benefit handsomely from it -- that he's convicted.

You might say that 9/11 is different. If there was a conspiracy that big, someone would have spilled the beans by now. Right?

But -- hear me out -- that's not necessarily true. If, hypothetically, of course, 9/11 was an inside job, then it was probably carried out by a group of very disciplined military type folks who know how to carry out an operation and keep their mouths shut. Moreover, these folks would be used to learning information stricly on a need-to-know basis. In other words, they wouldn't even know that they were helping to carry out 9/11; they would just know their one little part of it.

Moreover, a very small group of people could have carried out 9/11.

And when you think of confessions, you're thinking of small-time criminals. High-level criminals like mob bosses don't go around blabbing to outsiders. And the Nazi leaders didn't really confess their crimes (some did at the Nurenberg trials, but not before).

In any event, many witnesses who are high-level officials, and firefighters, police and FBI have come forward to testify against the U.S. government's version of 9/11.

So -- if there are other types of evidence -- can you at least consider the possibility that 9/11 might, just possibly, be an inside job even if none of the actual perpetrators have yet confessed?

But That's NOT POSSIBLE

Of course, it's IMPOSSIBLE that anyone in our government would do something as horrible as 9/11. We know that because we know that we're the good guys, and that our government tries its hardest to protect us. Right?

Its like a defendant falsely accused of a crime. The jury should find him innocent, because he's a good guy, and his life, his actions have been those of a basically decent guy. It would be very different if the defendant had previously been found guilty of similar crimes. Obviously, in that case, it would be more likely that the defendant did it this time, too. Right?

A good example is Muslim countries and other rotten nations who have terrorized their own people for political gain. If the leaders of one of those countries was accused of a terrorist act, we'd think its possible they did it again. Right?

Well, here's the thing. American political leaders have occassionally exaggerated military intelligence for political gain.

And, our leaders have in fact sometimes used terrorism in the past.

So we can't assume, without looking at the facts of 9/11, that this is not the kind of thing that our leaders would do.

What would it Really Take?

So what would it really take for you to believe 9/11 was an inside job? Disproof of the official story? Okay, here it is.

Proof that the government knew about the pending attacks, but did nothing? Read this and this.

Scientific experts saying it? See this.

Or . . .

Or do you just NOT want to believe it? That's okay. Admit it.

Then when you are ready, take a look at the evidence . . .

Start by actually reading the information contained at the links.




18 Comments:

Blogger ratney said...

Wow, George, that's strong. I don't know what I'd change, and the conversational tone makes it appealing reading. Here in CT, I've been trying to get through to the Ned Lamont campaign regularly for months now because of his position against Lieberman. And they ignore me. But, "My Left Nutmeg" is a good blog that get's read by many, and I put your "America Haters" story there. Also my "signature line" is about Truth, so everytime I comment, which is often, we get exposure.

3:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the explosives found in the Murrah building in Oklahoma City? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXMo3Z0qms&eurl=

And the censored Fox News report on Israelis with links to 9-11 being interrogated and deported? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fm0_7jVqcE&search=israel%20spies

Otherwise, I think that this is a good approach. Those two very blatant pieces of evidence you omit though are crucial.

4:17 AM  
Anonymous damien said...

I like what you've done George and it may be good. I'm not so keen on ideas that have several layers in them, or involve some reasoning for people to take on board.

Ideally, if you can get people to take home and view a decent video or pdf (see my blog home page link) then that sort of thing can get them thinking.

FWIW this is what I tell people:
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A senior US Government official has admitted that a foreign nation has been identified as complicit in the events of 911.

Senator Bob Graham, Head of the Joint Congressional 911 Inquiry from Feb - Dec 2002, was interviewed on the PBS Lehrer Hour in Dec 2002:

"I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.... I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now." (link)(link)

WOW!!!

Now we KNOW the 19 hijackers were not operating ALONE.

There was a support base, and others - beside the 19 terrorists - who were aware of the impending attacks.


So there you have it.... a person who should know what he is talking about is telling anyone who cares to listen that there were a lot more people than the 19 terrorists behind 9/11 going right up to the leadership of a sovereign foreign government. Those are his words, not mine.

And you do want to know who those people are, don't you?

You are not going to betray your fellow Americans by allowing these people to go free, are you?

So phone Sen.Graham and DEMAND to know the name of the country HE SAYS was involved in 9/11
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The advantage I find in this approach are several:

(1) It's a simple feature of 9/11.
(2) It says the govt knows an important fact, but won't tell us.
(3) It says we can actually find and prosecute some 9/11 supporters.
(4) It get's people wondering "which country?"
(5) It gets people wondering "why won't they say?"
(5) It gets people wondering "what else are they hiding?"
(6) It provides a practical course of action (phone Congress).
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If people express further interest I can then talk about: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and all their links to 9/11. Or suggest a video.

If the above approach is useable to you, take it - or go further with what you've got. Best wishes.

4:38 AM  
Blogger Andrew Lowe-Watson said...

Excellent as always GW. There is nothing I would change, but... it has always been a principle of British Law that a jury should NOT be told of a defendant's previous convictions. Now I dare say they have changed that as so much else has been swept away by the Blair autocracy.

4:57 AM  
Anonymous Just the Facts said...

Why you have to dance around using innuendo, referring to academics as scientific experts who are clearly not experts in anything relevant to 9/11, is indicative that you have no evidence at all.

Yours is the classic logical fallacy, all bluff and smoke and mirrors. You want people to "believe" you, not present them with any evidence.

This is why you will never succeed with your deceptions about 9/11.

5:22 AM  
Anonymous Dainin K said...

Nice work George. But starting with "convincing people 9/11 was an inside job" skips the first couple of steps. In order to move this immovable object called public opinion, we need to start out small.

1. The official story is in the process of redefining our futures.

2. The official story is false.

Be happy to provide you with a guest blog piece that covers these first important steps. You know where to find me.

K

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there some way to include Col. Bob Bowman's observation that if NORAD and the FAA had just followed normal operating procedures on 9/11 all four hijacks would have been intercepted within 20 min.? Only "inside job" explains this "set up" for failure.

8:33 AM  
Anonymous S. King said...

"if NORAD and the FAA had just followed normal operating procedures on 9/11 all four hijacks would have been intercepted within 20 min.?"

False. See: Debunked myth about NORAD and FAA

10:24 AM  
Blogger simuvac said...

Good work, GW. I strongly encourage you to continue refining this message. Below I offer some thoughts on why 9/11 Truth has a difficult time getting through to people.

1) The OV mythology is simple and appeals to latent racism and xenophobia; the skeptics require a story that is complex, incomplete, and based on facts not fear. One problem is: How to overcome the average person's latent racism, the willingness to accept that a dark skinned villain on the other side of the world wants to harm them? The dilemma is similar to the one faced by the Democrats, who haven't mastered the simplistic propaganda used by the Republicans. How can 9/11 Truthers encapsulate their findings in a compelling metaphor or short narrative? Focus on 2-3 "smoking guns"?

2) OV advocates avoid facts in favor of name-calling. Ad hominem attacks are difficult to diffuse because they rely on presuppositions not facts. How can 9/11 Truthers get OV advocates to engage the facts of 9/11? Most OV advocates will do what Rep. Nass did: avoid a debate with a skeptic, because he doesn't want to "dignify" the skeptic's ideas.

3) Much of what is compelling about 9/11 Truth is "visual" -- the evidence of demolition in the WTC collapses, for example. If a 9/11 Truther is invited on television, s/he should always request that the program air certain incriminating videos. Recall how Tucker Carlson would not show WTC7 when Steven Jones appeared. Pictures will convince people better than complicated arguments about US foreign policy and oil pipelines. Consider what most people took away from Farenheit 9/11: the image of Bush reading about goats while NY burned. On the other hand, pictures have also worked against 9/11 Truth, as in the case of the No-Boeing theory. No-Boeing is a wedge issue and a dead end, I think, but many truthers invoke it, I think, because some of the images from the Pentagon are quite compelling.

4) 9/11 Truthers should decide which demographic they are interested in engaging. That is, FOX News viewers will never accept the truth about 9/11; but maybe there is a moderate middle ground who will? Shape your rhetoric to fit those people. In other words, don't speak in hyperbolic terms about the "New World Order" and Satanists and prosaic departures into descriptions of "jack-booted fascists" and such. I have heard Dylan Avery make such digressions, and although he may be right, and although he is still very young, I think it's essential to create a message that has a chance of engaging mainstream audiences, because they are the critical mass necessary to make political change. These things about NWO may be true, but I think they interfere with the message you want to deliver: 9/11 was an inside job. Speak moderately but forcefully. Give moderates a proposition they can accept without overturning their worldview. For example, your argument should not depend on whether one thinks Bush or Cheney is a criminal. Of course they are, but 9/11 Truth should not stand or fall on how one feels about certain people.

5) 9/11 Truth must also struggle against historical amnesia. Many people simply don't know about government sponsored terror that is a matter of historical record. Items such as Northwoods should not be presented as a smoking gun: it's too easy for critics to say, "How does this 45 year old document prove what happened five years ago? Different people, different times." I would focus on the historical facts that connect past to present, such as the Bush/Bin Laden connection and US support for the Taleban. While it may be true that false flag terrorism happened in Nazi Germany and the Gulf of Tonkin, these events might appear too distant from 9/11.

I'm sure there is more to consider, but I hope this helps.

12:35 PM  
Blogger Andrew Lowe-Watson said...

S.King,

you don't mention the Mineta testimony.

you don't mention the FAA's destruction of the air traffic controllers' taped logs

you don't mention the refusal of the FAA to hand over tapes of the conversations with the pilots.

Funny how your memory fails you. Mut be old age.

5:12 PM  
Blogger Andrew Lowe-Watson said...

Ooh - here's another thing you didn't know, S. KIng.

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9605

You do now.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Magmak1 said...

"Do not stare into the eyes of your opponent; he may mesmerize you. Do not fix your gaze on his sword; he may intimidate you. Do not focus on your opponent at all; he may absorb your energy. The essence of training is to bring your opponent completely into your sphere. Then you can stand just where you like."

Morihei Ueshiba, "The Art of Peace"

translated and edited by John Stevens

Shambhala Classics,
Boston and London 2002

9:43 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

The following is a short list of persons, agencies, corporations and organizations wich must have been involved in a conspiracy the size of 9-11:

the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA),
the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE),
the National Council of Structural Engineers Associations,
the New York City Department of Design and Construction,
the Structural Engineers Association of New York,
the National Fire Protection Association,
the Society of Fire Protection Engineers,
the American Concrete Institute,
the Building and Construction Trades Council,
the American Institute of Steel Construction,
the Masonry Society,
the Pentagon security staff,
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers,
hundreds of steelworkers, some of whom built the WTC,
the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat,
United Laboratories,
the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory,
Controlled Demolitions, Inc.
Bovis, Inc.
Tully Construction
AEMC Construction
Karl Koch Steel Consulting, Inc.
The United Steelworkers of America
the Armed Forces Institute of Technology
the Federal Advisory Committee,
several DNA labs,
Numerous Forensic Pathologists,
Numerous Forensic Anthropologists,
Numerous Forensic Dentists,
Numerous Forensic Radiologists,
the National Medical Response Team,
the International Association of Fire Chiefs
the New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
the Fire Department of New York,
the New York City Office of Emergency Management,
the New York State Emergency Management Office,
the Arlington County Fire Department,
the Arlington County Sheriff's Department,
the Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
the Arlington County SWAT Team,
the Arlington, VA Police Department,
the Fairfax County Fire & Rescue,
the FBI's Evidence Recovery Teams,
the Montgomery County Fire & Rescue,
the Alexandria, VA Fire & Rescue
the District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
the Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
the Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
the Fort Myer Fire Department,
the Pentagon Fire Unit,
the Pentagon Medical Unit,
the Pentagon 2-person Helicopter Crash Response Team
the Pentagon Defense Protective Service,
several FBI Hazmat Teams,
several EPA Hazmat Teams,
the Virginia State Police,
the FEMA Virginia-1, Virginia-2, Maryland-1 and Tennessee-1 Task Forces
the DOD Honor Guard
the US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach, Fairfax County and Montgomery County,
the Virginia Department of Emergency Management
the Washington, D.C. Fire Department,
the California Incident Management Team,
the Shanksville, PA VFD,
the Somerset County Coroner's Office,
the Somerset County Emergency Management Agency
the Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
the State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
the Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association
the Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
the Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services,
the Salvation Army Disaster Services,
the National Emergency Numbering Association
the 911 operators who took the calls from passengers,
the American Red Cross,
the National Guard in D.C., NYC, and PA.,
the Air National Guard,
the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
the United States Secret Service,
the Central Intelligence Agency,
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,
the New York Port Authority Police,
the New York Port Authority Construction Board
the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute,
the World Trade Center security staff,
the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York
United Airlines,
American Airlines,
the Office of Emergency Preparedness
Several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams,
Several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams,
the Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team,
the Virginia State Police
Many other Urban Search and Rescue Teams
the FEMA Incident Support Team,
the FEMA Emergency Response Team,
the FEMA Disaster Field Office.
the US Department of Defense,
the US Department of Justice,
the US Department of State,
the National Response Center,
North American Aerospace Defense Command,
the National Military Command Center,
the Federal Aviation Administration,
the National Disaster Medical System,
the HHS National Medical Response Team,
the Counterterrorism and Security Group,
the US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command,
the Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders
three E-4B National Airborne Operations Center planes,
the C-130H crew in D.C.
the Falcon 20 crew in PA,
SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams,
SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams,
the Federal Aviation Administration,
the National Transportation Safety Board,
the New York Flight Control Center,
the Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington,
the Cleveland Airport control tower,
the Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee,
the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
the New York Times,
the Boston Globe,
the Wall Street Journal,
the Washington Post,
Newsday,
United Press International,
Associated Press,
The Royal Canadian Armed Forces contingent at NORAD
The Deputy Commander at NORAD (always a Canadian officer)
Canada's Depertment of National Defence in Ottowa
The Canadian Minister of Defence
CNN,
ABC,
NBC,
CBS

Plaus others not yet mentioned who would have access to critical evidence yet has not come forward.

7:23 AM  
Anonymous S. King said...

Andrew Lowe-Watson said...

S.King,

you don't mention the Mineta testimony.


You can't show "9/11 was an inside job", yet you're very good at showing the ignorance and irrationality of 9/11 Deniers like yourself and Jon Gold, Andrew.

You don't fool anyone.

6:02 AM  
Blogger simuvac said...

"Sword of Truth,"

You are delusional. The conspiracy that concocted 9/11 did not have to involve even a fraction of those people. Most of the people involved with 9/11 were just following orders. For example, the people of FEMA didn't have to know why they were by coincidence in lower Manhattan on September 10. The FAA operators didn't have to know why they were confused by phony radar blips caused by wargames exercises. Even Bush didn't have to know why he was in Florida reading to schoolchildren. Only a handful of people had to know what was going on. The rest were following orders. Your list is ridiculous.

10:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, sword of truth.. that's just plain whacked- why would you think those groups had to know!?

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saudi official agrees with 9/11 Truthers!

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1283wmv&ak=null

6:29 PM  
Blogger LDS Patriot said...

That's like asking, "What would it take for you to believe the Sun rotates around the earth?" We know it doesn't; the question is moot. In short, nothing can convince me to believe a lie.

5:25 PM  

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