Friday, July 08, 2005

Why the Road to 9/11 Truth Passes Through London

Those in the 9/11 truth movement would gain tremendous leverage for our work by publicizing the truth behind the London subway bombings, and then driving home the similarities to 9/11.

Why? Because evidence is mounting that the London attacks may have been a "false flag" operation (as explained below):

For example, this short Fox news interview with terrorism expert and former prosecutor for the Justice Department shows that the bombing "mastermind" was a British intelligence agent (or read the transcript here); see confirming story here

This statement from a blast victim implies that bomb was beneath the train ("policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train....They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag").

Similiarly, this report from a Guardian reporter implies that the bomb was "under the carriage of a train", causing tiles to fly UPWARDS and the train to derail.

This summary discusses the terror drills occuring at the same time and place as the real attacks. The head of company running terror drills confirms the drills in this interview by ITN News and this interview by the Canadian Broadcast Corporation

This Reuters article shows that the bombs were of military origin and confirmed here

MSNBC translator confirms that claim of responsibility by Al-Qaeda was a fake; more on unreliability of message

This article raises the question of whether attackers were "arrested and then released" while remaining under close observation by the government".

And it is now come to light that the police were "bugging" the car of the mastermind of the bombings.

Israel was warned ahead of blasts, and confirmed here

Blair rejects investigation into bombing.

The parallels with 9/11 are striking. In both London and America, "terror drills" occurred at the same time as the real attacks. In both incidences, the attacks involved explosions whose nature and scope indicated coordination beyond the reach of a handful of lone, deranged terrorists. Each time, security cameras which should have filmed the actual events were mysteriously nonfunctional. The alleged perpetrators of both attacks appear to have been under very close observation by the respective intelligence services. Both times, documents of the alleged terrorists were conveniently found on the scene under suspicious circumstances. And the leader of each victim country tried to stop any real investigation.

Indeed, a former British MI5 intelligence agent says there are "many similarities" between the London bombings and 9/11; and see discussion of 9/11 for comparison.

But why is this so important? Because the London attacks are so recent that the disinformation specialists have not yet had time to bury the truth. The attacks are still in the early stages of "investigation", and are fresh in people's minds. And perhaps most importantly -- because they have occurred on another continent -- Americans may examine this barbaric act of deception with more open eyes and minds than they have previously done concerning the traumatizing attack in their own country.

Hundreds of years ago, ships would raise an enemy's flag and then attack one of their own countryman's ships . . . and then blamed the attack on the enemy. This gave an excuse to declare war on the enemy. Thus was born the phrase "false flag" attack.

If we push the truth that the London attacks may have been a "false flag" operation, and link that to 9/11, we have a powerful opportunity to wake people up. Once people grasp the reality of the London attacks, it is a short step to having them reexamine the facts regarding 9/11.

George.




17 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

touché

3:28 PM  
Anonymous irishdrifter said...

Good source of info
here

Regards ID

4:54 PM  
Blogger Peg C said...

You left out another statling parallel. Huge stock sales on the day preceding both, making huge profits for investors - who could buy back low the next day.

7:05 PM  
Anonymous irishdrifter said...

Peg me dear....

Rudi Giulani was in town.
They were carrying out sim-exercises.
The Israelis knew in adavance.
All of London's 4.5 million cctv cameras went offline.
The stock market blip.


Does have have a ring of familiarity?

We are being led a merry dance!

7:10 PM  
Anonymous Charles said...

Easy from a distance to conjure rubbish from the air. However.
1) Nobody said the people who did this were "deranged". They were very cunning; pyschopathic, sociopathic, perhaps, but psychopaths and sociopaths have to be cunning to survive in society.
2) The Independent story talks about "clear skins" which is security jargon for people they haven't fingered. It suggests Muslims from the Balkans, but that's not definite.
3) A better comparison than 9/11 is the Madrid bombings, which you seem not to have woven into your tapestry of fantasy.
4) There hasn't been time really for an analysis of the explosive materials to be made and passed to Mossad to then compare it to the Mike's Place bombing and then to tell a journalist. Remember, journalists will write a story on the faintest pretext. I know - I am one.
5) Blair hasn't stopped an investigation - he's said that this isn't the time to do it, as the police and security people have better things to do, like track down the perpetrators. The investigation will come, later.
6) The web site claiming "responsibility" could easily be fake. Again, journalists are going to grab at any straw that might point to people claiming responsibility. That doesn't indicate that it's set up by Evil Overlords Trying To Divert Us. It indicates that there are nutters out there. The pattern and method resembles Madrid (rush hour, trains)
7) "confirmed here" for your "Israel was warned" post begins "Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources..." Riiiight. Would it be better if they were confirmed unreliable sources? How flaky do you want your facts to be, exactly? Those ones have dandruff.
8) If you had any familiarity with how Londoners behave, you'd realise that the bombers (there has to have been more than one) must have done a dummy run, because they would have to find out how easy it is to leave a bag on a crowded Tube. Especially a quite large bag weighing >12lb (10lb explosives plus other stuff). Why more than one bomber? Because you couldn't get on a train with four heavy bags and leave with three. See, you have to know Londoners.
9) You haven't put forward any credible reason why, if this were a Gummint Conspirsee, they would want to perform 4 bombings, with one happening in a deep Tube. Why not just blow one bus up? Or one Tube? The IRA used to focus on single targets. They got peoples' attention (though not their respect, or fear).

Basically, you've got nothing apart from the handwaving of a few journalists trying to beat each other to a "story". No inside information, and you haven't done a basic analysis of how the bombings would have to be done - by at least three people.

I suggest you try cultivating contacts, and see whether in 40 years' time or so you can become Seymour Hersh, who revealed the bombing of Cambodia and the abuses at Abu Ghraib, to name a couple of things he's reported on. That's journalism. Not most of the stuff you're pointing to.

3:25 AM  
Blogger George Washington said...

Question for Peg: can you provide a link about stock sales? If so, I will add it to my post.

10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HIGH RESOLUTION VIDEOS OF THE 9/11 HOAX (AND MUCH MORE).

Here you will find hi-resolution video of the (obvious) demolition of World Trade Center Seven and of the (less obvious) demolition of the Towers. The Naudet brothers stunning footage of the first plane hitting the North tower is also presented (at least one of the brothers quite clearly knew the first aircraft was about to hit the North Tower) together with less well known footage of the first plane hitting the tower, accidently caught by someone filming, while waiting in traffic.

If you are using Windows Media Player you need the DivX3.11a codec plug-in (many non-Microsoft movie players come standard with the codecs necessary to play DivX movies (eg Mplayer for Linux)).

If you do not already have it, you can find it here:

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The files from public.planetmirror.com are bit for bit the same (I checked) as those I have had on my system for years (with no harmful effects). You unzip the files and double click on Register_DivX.exe

If you wish to learn about DivX movies, in particular, why they sometimes play upside-down, read this thread:

http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=599

HIGH RESOLUTION VIDEO

Here HiRes (high resolution) video means video recorded with the DivX3.11a codec with the (variable) bitrate set to 6000 and crispness/smoothness set to 100. The HiRes videos are much larger files than necessary for good viewing. They are meant to convey as much of the original detail as possible.

THE FIRST PLANE STRIKE ON THE NORTH TOWER

The First Plane Hitting The North Tower (13 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x408) Copy.
Video taken while waiting to enter the Brooklyn Tunnel (0.8 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 360x240).

THE SECOND PLANE STRIKE ON THE SOUTH TOWER

Plane Hitting South Tower. View from south (10 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x472) Copy.
View from north-east (4.9 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 716x480) Copy.
View from north (13 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x472) Copy.
View from east (1.2 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x356) Copy.
Close view from east (1.3 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x356) Includes the "911 In Plane Site" flash. Copy.
Another view from north (0.8 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x356) Copy.
Short view from north-east (1.2 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 696x472) Copy.
Longer view from north-east (2.8 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 716x480) Copy.

NORTH TOWER DEMOLITION

Video one of the WTC North Tower demolition (2 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 492x408) Copy.
Video two of the WTC North Tower demolition (5.6 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 716x480).
Video three of the WTC North Tower demolition (0.5 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 676x408).
Video four of the WTC North Tower demolition (13 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x472) Copy.
Premature Detonations in North Tower Demolition. (4.8 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 692x472).
North Tower Premature Detonations (Marked) (2.8 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x472) Copy..
More North Tower Premature Detonations (6.1 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 696x472) Copy.
Another view of the North Tower Predetonations (1.4 MB HiRes Codec: MPEG1 352x264).

For those interested, here is an article on the Premature Detonations.

SOUTH TOWER DEMOLITION

Video one of the WTC South Tower demolition (1.6 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 716x480).
Video two of the WTC South Tower demolition (2.3 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x408).
Video three of the WTC South Tower demolition (1.5 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x352).
Video four of the WTC South Tower demolition (1.7 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x356).
South Tower Premature Detonations (Marked) (0.4 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 704x480).

WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING SEVEN DEMOLITION

The WTC Building Seven Demolition (0.9 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x408) Copy.
The WTC Building Seven Demolition (another view) (0.8 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x408) Copy.
The WTC Building Seven Demolition (yet another view) (9.5 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x408) Copy.
The WTC Building Seven Demolition - Four (0.8 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 360x240)
The WTC Building Seven Demolition - Five (1.1 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 542x407)

PENTAGON

Pentagon Collapse One (2.2 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 696x472) Copy.
Pentagon Collapse Two (0.8 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 696x472) Copy.
Video one of the Pentagon on Fire (4.2 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x480).
Video two of the Pentagon on Fire (3.5 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x464).
Video three of the Pentagon on Fire (1.4 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x464).
Video of the Pentagon damage from the air (9.6 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x480).

WHAT A DEMOLITION LOOKS LIKE

What A Demolition Looks Like (6 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 600x320).

WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE.

Woman Waving From WTC North Tower Impact Hole. (1.2 MB HiRes Codec: DivX3.11a 692x356) Copy.

The woman is in the lower righthand corner and why this is of interest.

OTHER VIDEO

Painful Deceptions by Eric Hufschmid (windows media player comes with the necessary codec to play these).

Painful Deceptions. Part 1 (39 MB Codec: WMV1 360x240)
Painful Deceptions. Part 2 (42 MB Codec: WMV1 360x240)
Painful Deceptions. Part 3 (35 MB Codec: WMV1 360x240)
Painful Deceptions. Part 4 (28 MB Codec: WMV1 360x240)
Painful Deceptions - Pentagon Update (5 MB WMV1 360x240)

Alternate Painful Deceptions (only the correct stuff about WTC7 (no missile crap))

Painful Deceptions (22 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 360x235). The section on World Trade Center Seven.

WTC Construction Manager (0.8 MB WMV3 320x240) states WTC would survive multiple airplane strikes.
911 In Plane Site Debunked (25 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 360x240)
911 In Plane Site. (104 MB Codec: DivX5 352x240)
911 In Plane Site. (129 MB Codec: Quicktime MOV 352x240)
Von Kleist admitting possible involvement and even guilt, in the events of 9/11 (1.3 MB Codec: DivX3.11a 340x240).

From the page http://www.question911.com/links.php you can download:

All the "Painful Deceptions" videos mentioned above
Painful Deceptions - 911 Commission Report (25 MB WMV1 360x240)
Painful Deceptions - Pentagon Update (5 MB WMV1 360x240) same as above but misnamed "Uranium Report"
911 In Plane Site Directors Cut. 2 parts (45 MB and 47 MB WMV3 320x240)
911 In Plane Site Update (8 MB WMV1 240x160)

David Griffin talking about 9/11 on CSPAN2 239 MB WMV, also smaller file here 25 MB WMV

MORE 9/11 RESOURCES (ANIMATIONS, BOOKS ETC).

BOOKS:

The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin (entire book).

ANIMATED GRAPHICS:

Predetonations in the World Trade Center Demolitions Copy 1 and commentary.
North Tower Demolition 0.9 MB Copy 1 and commentary.
South Tower Demolition 2.1 MB Copy 1 and commentary.
First Plane Hits 2.2 MB Copy 1. From Naudet Brothers footage and why this is of interest.
What a jets exhaust does to a car 0.9 MB Copy 1 and why this is of interest.
World Trade Center Seven Demolition 0.6 MB Copy 1.
The dust cloud that gave rise to the WTC6 explosion myth 0.9 MB Copy 1 and why this is of interest.

SOME ARTICLES FROM THE GLOBAL RESEARCH FORUM:

http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewforum.php?f=2

THE 9/11 "MISSILE HITS THE PENTAGON" HOAX.
MANY HI-RESOLUTION VIDEOS OF THE 9/11 HOAX (AND MORE).
WTC TOWERS - PREDETONATIONS OF EXPLOSIVES CAUGHT ON VIDEO.
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER FIRES (NOT SO HOT EH?).
PROOF THE TWIN TOWERS WERE DELIBERATELY DEMOLISHED.
SO WHAT REALLY HAPPENED (TO THE HIJACKED FLIGHTS) ON 9/11?
THE SUPER-LUCKY PENTAGON RETROFIT (A 9/11 SMOKING GUN).
MEDIA RELEASES FAKED PHOTOGRAPHS OF 9-11 PENTAGON EXPLOSION.
THE 9-11 PENTAGON HOAX (WHY A BOEING 757 DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON).
SO WHAT DID HIT THE PENTAGON? (PROBABLY AN AA BOEING 737)
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA REPORT. ITS AUTHORS DELIBERATELY LIED!!
DID JEWS FRAME THE ARABS FOR 9/11? DID JEWS DO 9/11?
ARREST FOR JEWS CLAIMING GAS CHAMBERS TRUE (BY US MILITARY).
SOME ARTICLES ON THE TRUTH OF THE HOLOCAUST (BONUS VIDEO).
THE HILARIOUS AUSCHWITZ STORY.
MANY OF THE SUPPOSED 9-11 HIJACKERS ARE STILL ALIVE.
EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSES.
THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THEM ALL.
COMMENTS ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER DEMOLITION.
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA "INVESTIGATIONS" - TWIN TOWERS - PART 1
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA "INVESTIGATIONS" - TWIN TOWERS - PART 2
THE GOVERNMENT FEMA "INVESTIGATIONS" - WTC SEVEN
CALCULATIONS SAY 14 TONS OF EXPLOSIVE USED TO DOWN EACH WTC TOWER
SHOCK, HORROR, ALLIANZ AG INSURANCE TO INVESTIGATE WTC FIRES?
Versicherungsgesellschaft Allianz AG zum Nachforschen der WTC-Feuer?
WATCH THE WTC EXPLOSIONS HERE. WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
YET ANOTHER 9/11 SMOKING GUN (NO AUTOS BLOWN OFF FREEWAY)?
WOMAN WAVING FROM WTC NORTH TOWER IMPACT HOLE (VIDEO).
THE FAKE EXPLOSION AT WORLD TRADE CENTER SIX.
FACTS ABOUT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS.
THE RAG "POPULAR MECHANICS" LOSES ALL CREDIBILITY.
Plaguepuppy, Paul Thompson, Ewing2001. ALL FALSE OPPOSITION?
http://letsroll911.org = FALSE OPPOSITION IN PLAIN SIGHT.
IS ERIC HUFSCHMID A CLEVER PROPAGANDA AGENT?
"911 IN PLANE SITE." A TOTALLY BOGUS PRODUCTION.
Joël van der Reijden = MORE FALSE OPPOSITION.
THE PENTA-LAWN 2000 HOAX.
9/11 PREDICTED IN 1961?

9/11 WEB-SITES

These are deliberately suppressed, so I specially mention them.

http://guardian.150m.com (has smaller images for faster downloads)
http://guardian.250free.com (has smaller images for faster downloads)
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/
http://911review.org/Wget/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/
http://thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/

THE COMPLETE GOVERNMENT FEMA REPORT INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSES.

Introduction - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
WTC 1 and WTC 2 - The Twin Towers - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
WTC 3 - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
WTC 4,5 and 6 - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
WTC 7 - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
The Bankers Trust Building - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
Peripheral Buildings - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
Overview of Fire Protection in Buildings - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
Structural Steel and Steel Connections - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.
WTC Steel Data Collection - The FEMA "investigations" Copy 1.

Please add to this list here http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=679 (No Login Necessary).

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8:48 PM  
Anonymous marc said...

In response to charles:

1) Whether you consider the people who did this "deranged" or "psychopathic", etc., doesn't say anything about whether they were Arabic or British, whether they were Islamic fundamentalists or MI5/MI6/other agents. I agree, they were probably psychopathic, but there are psychopaths in high places in government, business, military, intelligence, and so on, as well as on the streets of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

2) The Independent article you refer to (http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298105.ece) opens with the following two sentences:
"Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white 'mercenary terrorists' was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London.
"The Independent on Sunday can reveal today that investigations into the bombings of three Tube trains and a bus, which left at least 49 people dead, are focusing on the possibility that criminal gangs were paid to mount the worst atrocities in British history."

I don't see how you get from that to "It suggests Muslims from the Balkans, but that's not definite." I haven't paid to read the rest of the article, so maybe I missed something, but anyway, George is not wrong in refering to it as an "article implying that the bombers may have been white-skinned".

5) "The investigation will come, later." If we accept the comparison with 9/11, an investigation may come three years down the road, after crucial evidence has been deliberately and illegally destroyed, and it may be a whitewash full of lies and contradictions like the 9/11 Commission Report (http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2005-05-22-571pglie.php).

The argument that a crime shouldn't be investigated because it will distract from catching the perpetrators, is absurd.

"Blair hasn't stopped an investigation" -- you're right, and no one said he did. Only that he "rejects investigation into the bombings", a slightly inaccurate paraphrase of the headline: "Blair rejects calls for probe into bombings" (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8186face-f17a-11d9-9c3e-00000e2511c8.html)

6) "The web site claiming 'responsibility' could easily be fake. Again, journalists are going to grab at any straw that might point to people claiming responsibility. That doesn't indicate that it's set up by Evil Overlords Trying To Divert Us."

True, and I don't think anyone here suggested the Maryland-based "al Qaeda" website (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html), or the stories and accusations that followed in its wake, was "set up by Evil Overlords Trying To Divert Us."

However, as the last four years should have taught us, a lie repeated often enough becomes truth in the mind of most people, so I can only hope that the suspicious features of this claim are not forgotten in a mad rush to get revenge on al Qaeda, their sympathizers, or innocent Arab civilians, as if the dubious claim of responsibility by "The Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" were authentic.

Indeed, more than one "Bin Laden" videotape has been conclusively shown to be fake, but that hasn't stopped the US media from airing them unquestioningly and the Bush/Blair/et al. from treating them as real.

7) You're referring to the article linked at "Israel was warned ahead of blasts", which begins "Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources..."

The article linked at "confirmed here" states:

"Moreover, the Mossad office in London received advance notice about the attacks, but only six minutes before the first blast, the paper [German newspaper Bild am Sonntag] reports. As a result, it was impossible to take any action to prevent the blasts.
"'They reached us too late for us to do something about it,' a Mossad source is quoted as saying."

Not exactly flaky-sounding to me, though no doubt it's possible the German newspaper got it wrong as well and the quoted Mossad source was invented or imagined.

9) Operation Northwoods (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1) talks of "a series of well coordinated incidents" (p.10); the attacks on Sept. 11 were several (4, to be exact); why should the fact that there were 4 bombings in London suggest that this were the work of al Qaeda or anyone else, as opposed to some sort of "false flag" operation?

You summarize your criticism with:

"Basically, you've got nothing apart from the handwaving of a few journalists trying to beat each other to a 'story'. No inside information, and you haven't done a basic analysis of how the bombings would have to be done - by at least three people."

The multiple interviews with former Scotland Yard official Peter Power, revealing anti-terror drills occuring at exactly the same time and in exactly the same places as the real attacks, is huge! To dismiss that as the "handwaving of a few journalists trying to beat each other to a 'story'" is silly.

"No inside information" - so what? The point is not whether George is akin to "Seymour Hersh" -- the point is that evidence so far points to the 7/7 London bombings as a likely "false flag" operation, and that they represent an opportunity to wake people up about 9/11 and with it the whole premise for the "War on Terror".

"you haven't done a basic analysis of how the bombings would have to be done - by at least three people." Well, gosh, that doesn't seem very complicated to me. Four bombs, going off at nearly the same time -- sure, there were likely at least three people. Again, that has nothing to do with whether this was the work of al Qaeda sympathizers or a "false flag" operation.

The fact that Visor Consultants, a "crisis management company", was running an exercise "at half past nine [that] morning...based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning", according to the company's Managing Director, Peter Power, suggests that someone who scheduled that exercise was complicit in the real bombings, and thus that it was not the unaided work of some al Qaeda sympathizers. This could also explain why the people who planted the bombs were not stopped -- the "crisis management" company charged with preventing such a terrorist attack was told it was an exercise, so didn't respond until after the bombs went off.

Given such evidence, it's hard to imagine why Blair, or anyone else, wouldn't want to carefully investigate the bombings -- or would prematurely point fingers at Islamic terrorists -- unless they were complicit in the crime and wanted to protect the identity of the real terrorists from being discovered.

"Easy from a distance to conjure rubbish from the air." Indeed, but who's conjuring rubbish from the air? And where is the "tapestry of fantasy"?

I see a tapestry of evidence, some pieces stronger than others, which points to a "false flag" operation as the most likely scenario, given what we know so far, and which reveals striking similarities to the attacks on, and response to, 9/11.

As the story develops, we'll see what happens, and whether the linked-to articles/clips are buried, forgotten, contradicted or confirmed by forthcoming evidence, or used to expose the identity of the true conspirators, whomever they may be.

Meanwhile, to the extent that these stories are underreported in the corporate media, we have some work to do.

10:08 PM  
Anonymous Charles said...

I know I shouldn't. It wastes my time and annoys the pig. But anyway.

I've worked on a daily newspaper - in fact, one of the ones quoted here. I know how stories get written in the midst of fast-moving events like this. The details is shaky, and you go on what you have, and think you can trust. Other people overseas can speculate all they like, and do so, wildly - even insanely.

You're picking and choosing stupid details which don't even support your case. The Indie on Sunday story was one conversation with one security person who might have had an idea about what line of investigation one part of the team was following. Evidence since I posted suggests they were wrong, except the bombers were "clean skins" - ie unknown to the intelligence services.

The Mossad stories are crap. The story of a terror drill is simple coincidence. If you were doing disaster planning for a city where the MAJORITY of people get to work on the Underground, and you knew (from Madrid) that trains are a terrorist target, what sort of disaster exercise might you choose?

And there are only 365 days to choose from. If they'd done the disaster training exercise six months before, you'd have used that as "proof". If they'd done it with four other stations, you'd have taken that as "proof". If they'd done it with three stations, you'd have taken it as "proof".

Too bad they picked the G8 meeting's opening. And didn't consider that a more likely time for the attacks was rush hour - as in Madrid.

All you have is idiotic, unproductive, conspiracy bollocks. If you had a smidgen of sense you'd investigate these things yourself by talking to people who are doing the investigations. But that would dismantle your patina of credibility on these candyfloss tales.

What's more, your standards of "proof" are nonexistent. Nothing can be proved, nothing can be disproved - so you live your delighted lives, seeing conspiracy everywhere. Recall that f-up beats out conspiracy every day. Now stop fantasising.

7:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's possible to hear the original interview with Peter Power on BBC5 radio until Thursday. See

http://www.waronfreedom.org/777.html

3:32 PM  
Anonymous marc said...

"The Mossad stories are crap. The story of a terror drill is simple coincidence. If you were doing disaster planning for a city where the MAJORITY of people get to work on the Underground, and you knew (from Madrid) that trains are a terrorist target, what sort of disaster exercise might you choose?
"And there are only 365 days to choose from. If they'd done the disaster training exercise six months before, you'd have used that as 'proof'. If they'd done it with four other stations, you'd have taken that as 'proof'. If they'd done it with three stations, you'd have taken it as 'proof'."

Rush hour, OK, that could be just an educated guess. The first day of the G8 summit, could be another good guess, granted. (And lucky for London it was after the Olympics decision.)

But on top of that to choose the exact same four locations where the bombings actually took place, that's a bloody good guess. Same thing happened on Sept. 11, 2001 - a mighty good guess, with at least 5 terror exercises all scheduled for the morning of 9/11/01.

Let's not forget what the results were of these remarkably good guesses. Did they result in preventing the attacks? If it were so easy to guess the right time and locations, how unfortunate that they scheduled anti-terror exercises which had the effect of CONFUSING the first responders and FACILITATING the attacks! What bloody bad luck that the terror exercises scheduled for 9/11/01 resulted in FAA agents seeing 22 hijacked airplanes on radar, and not being able to tell which ones were real. What bloody bad luck that the terror exercises scheduled for 7/7/05 resulted in allowing the bombs to be planted because they were assumed to be part of a drill.

If you wanted to cause a 9/11 or a 7/7, no matter who you were acting on behalf of, what better way to ensure that it ran smoothly than to schedule anti-terror exercises for exactly the same time and locations, to provide a cover for the real bomb-plantings or hijackings so they would not be stopped per normal operating procedures?

This is not conspiracy theory, this is common sense -- connecting the dots of a crime scene! It's not "proof", and no one said it was, but it's a matter to be investigated!

Your point about conspiracy is absurd. Do believe airliners crashed into the WTC and Pentagon by accident? Or that the bombings in London were some big mistake, or else the work of one man? If not, then you believe it was the deliberate work of two or more individuals -- a conspiracy, by definition.

Were you there? Do you know exactly what happened? Or are you relying on evidence, on clues, and trying to piece together a story of what happened, or what might have happened? If you make some conjecture as to whodunit, or whodidntdunit, then you have yourself a theory.

So unless you think it was all a big accident or refuse to even guess who/why/how (or who/why/how not), you're a "conspiracy theorist". The question is not "conspiracy theory" vs. something else, the question is, which conspiracy theory most closely matches the evidence?

In addition to crime evidence, investigators often ask, "cui bono?" -- who benefits? It doesn't take much to realize that Islamic fundamentalists don't benefit from the increased US/UK military presence in the mid-East, the 100,000 Iraqis recently killed, the likelihood of more invasions (Iran, Syria), the partial distraction from the Israel/Palestine conflict. (Though arguably they do it for religious reasons, and believe they benefit by killing nonbelievers.)

But it's clear that Bush, Blair, & friends derive great political benefit from these acts of terrorism -- their business partners make a killing from the wars & reconstruction, the neo-cons get their wish in carrying out PNAC (impossible to rally public opinion unless a "new Pearl Harbor"), dissent is stifled ("you're either with us or against us"), and the US places itself in a more advantageous position when oil becomes scarce in the coming years.

"you live your delighted lives, seeing conspiracy everywhere. Recall that f-up beats out conspiracy every day. Now stop fantasising."

F-up didn't beat conspiracy with the Reichstag fire, or with Operation Northwoods, or the Gulf of Tonkin incident, or the sinking of the Lucitania, or the Spanish-American war -- ask any mainstream historian! These "conspiracy theories" (or "Gummint Conspirsee" theories if you prefer), as they've no doubt been called in times past, are acknowledged as fact in establishment history textbooks!

So SUGGESTING that history MIGHT repeat itself is not "fantasizing"!

BELIEVING that it WON'T is definitely "fantasizing" -- no matter how many people share your dogged faith.

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1566916,00.html


Written for The Guardian, a respected British newspaper, by Michael Meacher, British Member of Parliament

Comment

Britain now faces its own blowback

Intelligence interests may thwart the July bombings investigation

Michael Meacher
Saturday September 10, 2005
The Guardian


The videotape of the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan has switched the focus of the London bombings away from the establishment view of brainwashed, murderous individuals and highlighted a starker political reality. While there can be no justification for horrific killings of this kind, they need to be understood against the ferment of the last decade radicalising Muslim youth of Pakistani origin living in Europe.
During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, the US funded large numbers of jihadists through Pakistan's secret intelligence service, the ISI. Later the US wanted to raise another jihadi corps, again using proxies, to help Bosnian Muslims fight to weaken the Serb government's hold on Yugoslavia. Those they turned to included Pakistanis in Britain.

According to a recent report by the Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation, a contingent was also sent by the Pakistani government, then led by Benazir Bhutto, at the request of the Clinton administration. This contingent was formed from the Harkat-ul- Ansar (HUA) terrorist group and trained by the ISI. The report estimates that about 200 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK went to Pakistan, trained in HUA camps and joined the HUA's contingent in Bosnia. Most significantly, this was "with the full knowledge and complicity of the British and American intelligence agencies".
As the 2002 Dutch government report on Bosnia makes clear, the US provided a green light to groups on the state department list of terrorist organisations, including the Lebanese-based Hizbullah, to operate in Bosnia - an episode that calls into question the credibility of the subsequent "war on terror".

For nearly a decade the US helped Islamist insurgents linked to Chechnya, Iran and Saudi Arabia destabilise the former Yugoslavia. The insurgents were also allowed to move further east to Kosovo. By the end of the fighting in Bosnia there were tens of thousands of Islamist insurgents in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo; many then moved west to Austria, Germany and Switzerland.

Less well known is evidence of the British government's relationship with a wider Islamist terrorist network. During an interview on Fox TV this summer, the former US federal prosecutor John Loftus reported that British intelligence had used the al-Muhajiroun group in London to recruit Islamist militants with British passports for the war against the Serbs in Kosovo. Since July Scotland Yard has been interested in an alleged member of al-Muhajiroun, Haroon Rashid Aswat, who some sources have suggested could have been behind the London bombings.

According to Loftus, Aswat was detained in Pakistan after leaving Britain, but was released after 24 hours. He was subsequently returned to Britain from Zambia, but has been detained solely for extradition to the US, not for questioning about the London bombings. Loftus claimed that Aswat is a British-backed double agent, pursued by the police but protected by MI6.

One British Muslim of Pakistani origin radicalised by the civil war in Yugoslavia was LSE-educated Omar Saeed Sheikh. He is now in jail in Pakistan under sentence of death for the killing of the US journalist Daniel Pearl in 2002 - although many (including Pearl's widow and the US authorities) doubt that he committed the murder. However, reports from Pakistan suggest that Sheikh continues to be active from jail, keeping in touch with friends and followers in Britain.

Sheikh was recruited as a student by Jaish-e-Muhammad (Army of Muhammad), which operates a network in Britain. It has actively recruited Britons from universities and colleges since the early 1990s, and has boasted of its numerous British Muslim volunteers. Investigations in Pakistan have suggested that on his visits there Shehzad Tanweer, one of the London suicide bombers, contacted members of two outlawed local groups and trained at two camps in Karachi and near Lahore. Indeed the network of groups now being uncovered in Pakistan may point to senior al-Qaida operatives having played a part in selecting members of the bombers' cell. The Observer Research Foundation has argued that there are even "grounds to suspect that the [London] blasts were orchestrated by Omar Sheikh from his jail in Pakistan".

Why then is Omar Sheikh not being dealt with when he is already under sentence of death? Astonishingly his appeal to a higher court against the sentence was adjourned in July for the 32nd time and has since been adjourned indefinitely. This is all the more remarkable when this is the same Omar Sheikh who, at the behest of General Mahmood Ahmed, head of the ISI, wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the leading 9/11 hijacker, before the New York attacks, as confirmed by Dennis Lormel, director of FBI's financial crimes unit.

Yet neither Ahmed nor Omar appears to have been sought for questioning by the US about 9/11. Indeed, the official 9/11 Commission Report of July 2004 sought to downplay the role of Pakistan with the comment: "To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance" - a statement of breathtaking disingenuousness.

All this highlights the resistance to getting at the truth about the 9/11 attacks and to an effective crackdown on the forces fomenting terrorist bombings in the west, including Britain. The extraordinary US forbearance towards Omar Sheikh, its restraint towards the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb, Dr AQ Khan, selling nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea, the huge US military assistance to Pakistan and the US decision last year to designate Pakistan as a major non-Nato ally in south Asia all betoken a deeper strategic set of goals as the real priority in its relationship with Pakistan. These might be surmised as Pakistan providing sizeable military contingents for Iraq to replace US troops, or Pakistani troops replacing Nato forces in Afghanistan. Or it could involve the use of Pakistani military bases for US intervention in Iran, or strengthening Pakistan as a base in relation to India and China.

Whether the hunt for those behind the London bombers can prevail against these powerful political forces remains to be seen. Indeed it may depend on whether Scotland Yard, in its attempts to uncover the truth, can prevail over MI6, which is trying to cover its tracks and in practice has every opportunity to operate beyond the law under the cover of national security.

· Michael Meacher is the Labour MP for Oldham West and Royton; he was environment minister from 1997 to 2003.

massonm@parliament.uk

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RUMOR:

the brasilian guyu they shot 5 times in the head was an electrician with the london underground.. and may have seen/known too much.

6:47 PM  
Blogger crallspace said...

If people aren't willing to look into 9/11 that deeply, they aren't going to care about Britain. Unfortunate... but glad you brought it up.

11:37 PM  
Anonymous zuco said...

What I still cannot understand is why an attack like 7/7 would involve suicide bombers. There really is no reason for the perpetrators to blow themselves up.

Care to elaborate on that, Charles?

1:48 AM  
Anonymous Leonard said...

Nice one ;]

6:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

check out the blueprints of the new world trade center that were submitted within weeks of 9/11; also, check out Dubaui Investment and their investors, developers, insurance, and all other issues on the website; in Silverman's speech in Sep 2007; listen very carefully, demolished is used vs. collapsed; insurance was paid to companies under fire insurance; loans prior to 9/11 couldn't be given but all of a sudden on 10/2001 the lower manhattan development project was submitted; when did you ever know the government to put together documents within less than a month; also, in silverman's speech he says that the memorial is for the workers who gave up their lives for the new world trade center; gave up not died as a result also he states that the world trade centers when built at 1st they were not strategically placed but now those mistakes could be corrected since they were wrong for the view of the city; also, federal government, NY city, NY state, port authority, PA agencies are moving into the new world trade center buildings; it is amazing; also, there is an article that states the Arabs are backing the funds for the New World Trade Center; all the articles, documents, information regarding the reconstruction, blue prints, bids submitted, etc. have no dates showing; there was a document commented by Dept of State, Treasure, Defense, Justice, etc. on Sep 4, 2001 regarding terrorism; if you read that it states bioterrorism but with all the toxins, asbestos, lead, glass, etc. from the WTC was our bioterrorism vs. WMD etc. All the lies where is the impeachment documents and why isn't the federal government taking responsibility for their own federal government workers 10,000 sick/dead/not surveyed according to GAO reports but nothing was done because when it is not an accident then guilt comes in so how can you acknowledge the federal workers that would mean that you have a conscience; it was not an accident but known; how can President Bush give millions, billions of dollars to NY MTA, construction of the NWTC, grants to small businesses when they were compensated as fire insurance claims but not take accountability for workers that gave their lives most of then Veterans either Vietnam, Eduring Freedom, etc.? The blueprints are under different names but look at the pictures and you will see; also, the same builders of the original WTC are the same for the NWTC? Have you seen Bin Laden on tv since 9/11?

4:51 AM  

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